SB-101 'Building MN Edgar Quinet'
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08 Sep 2010 07:18 PM

Hey, thanks for posting to let me know you're starting It helps keep me motivated! If you have any questions that aren't covered by the lessons, feel free to send me a pm through the forums here! I know I've already posted this, but the full boat plans are at www.myfatherswar.org on the menu bar on the left side at that site.

To all ze schtudenten: I vill be postink anuzzer lesson soon, on cutting out ze deckz!

 

Edit: Correction, website address was corrected to .org   You'd think I could remember my own website... shouldn't type when I'm tired!

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11 Sep 2010 10:49 AM

Zo Schtudentz!  Ve haff come togezzer anuzzer time for makink mit der boatzlearnink!  Vhat's dat?  You zay dat your boat hass no top?!  Zhat is eet zhould be, mein studentz... for TODAY, ve build ze deckz!

As the professor says, we move on to add decks to our cruisers.  This is glorious because it gives us something to do if our ADD strikes while working on internals... you can do superstructure!  For the new captains, 'superstructure' is a term that refers to the 'buildings' on top of the deck.  WWI ships tend to have much simpler superstructure (abbreviated SS) than do WW2 ships.  Most clubs require that the superstructure be in place to battle, although in my experience they will allow a rookie to play without SS a couple of times (or more, in my case), although you may be the target of good-natured ribbing about your 'aircraft carrier'    Ships look a lot better with their SS, so we will be doing work on that in due time.  I will post a simplified drawing to use, or you can figure it out from the plans. 

CAUTION: If you have not epoxied your hull together yet...  Do so BEFORE doing the decks.  The hull needs to be solid before we fit the decks so as not to shift afterwards! 

But anyhow, it's time to deck this ship!  You will need the 12"x24" sheet of 1/8" plywood that I told you to buy a while back.  Some people use 1/8" plastic or whatever comes readily to hand; the key thing is that our subdeck + deck combo must NOT exceed 3/8", and since we used 1/4" ply for the subdeck, that means the deck can't be thicker than 1/8". 

Below, you can see that I have placed the 1/8" ply under the back deck, close to one edge of the ply.  This is so that we waste as little of the ply as possible.  If you used some of the ply for stringers and casement decks, this is important.   The ply is pushed all the way up to the step in the deck.

This side view of the above shows the blue foam that I used to hold the ply up against the subdeck for tracing.  You can use any material that is readily at hand.  With the ply held snugly against the subdeck, trace the outline onto the ply, and cut it out.  As before, when cutting, make sure that you are just outside of your line, so that you can sand to fit the subdeck.

Now, the main deck.  This is the section that will be removed regularly for rearming and changing batteries.  The main deck starts like 8&5/8" from the stern of the ship, and is 24" long (i.e. the length of our plywood!).  This is coincidentally long enough to stretch from the SS aft of the step, all the way forward to just behind the forward main turret.  Convenient!  So I measured up 8&5/8" from the stern, and laid a poop stick across the subdeck there.  You can see the cut-out stern deck, next to the hull.   

I measured from several points to ensure that it was square, and made marks on the subdeck at that point.  these marks were extended to the SIDES of the subdeck at that 8&5/8" point.

Below, you can see where I have flipped the hull over and set it on the plywood.  The white object is a 3x5 card, being used to line up the marks on the sides of the subdeck with the edge of the plywood.  Again, try to do this so that the hull is oalong one edge of the ply, but completely ON the ply.

Aaaaaannddd.... TRACE!  Make sure that you get the indentions over the casement decks traced!  They're hiding under there!

This is what it looks like after tracing the main deck.  After this point, cut the main deck out.  NOTE:  At the stern end, just take the lines straight aft from the step; we'll cut the back end properly soon.

Now, I fit the main deck to the hull, and clamp it on with 4 film clips...  Making sure that it lines up well with the hull.  I then took small 1/8" scrap pieces from the floor around the saw, and placed them on the underside of the main deck, up against the subdeck, and CA glued them in place.  DO NOT use too much CA glue, we only want the scraps to stick to the deck, not the hull!  These little bumpers are there to locate the main deck with respect to the subdeck consistently.  Note one big one across the back, and 2 smaller ones just forward of that.

Then, up at the front end, I put 2 more bumpers (on diagonal parts this time) to help keep the front located.  This actually works pretty well.  You can go ahead and make bumpers for the stern deck at this point if you like!  The bow and stern deck will be held down with screws, but these bumpers will help keep the wood steady while we drill holes for the screws later.

Repeat this process for the front deck, which should be a really easy task by now

Zo unteel next time, schtudentz!!!  Heil Fluegel!

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11 Sep 2010 11:33 AM

Heil Fluegel! I bring you a message from on high... The battery that we will be using is....

http://www.batterymart.com/p-6v-12ah-sealed-lead-acid-battery.html

A humble 6 volt, 12 amp-hour lead-acid battery. The reasons are legion:
1) It's cheap! $15 for one battery that can last the whole battle! Even thought we can change batteries every sortie, NiMH or LiPo or LiFePO4 batteries will cost at least 3 times as much to achieve our goal.
2) We can afford the weight! Scale weight on these cruisers is 11.9 pounds, max model weight is 16.4 pounds! 4 pounds, 7 ounces of battery is not a problem.
3) Any dumb old battery charger can charge these puppies. And if you have 2 of them, you only need one charger! Charge the first battery after the AM battle, and stick the second one on the charger overnight in the hotel room!
4) Many, many people use this identical battery in RC naval battles, so if something horrible happens, you can easily find one to borrow.
5) It's cheap! And this is the Cheapest Point Of Entry project! Can't be a CPOE cruiser with costly batteries I want desperately to keep this under $250 all-up, ready to sit in the water and battle.

For the guys who are not, shall we say, electrically inclined, there will be a simple lesson on electricity before we start soldering
 

For those who are keeping score, my rough total so far, counting materials for the hull, the 2.4GHz radio set, brushless motors, brushless ESCs, servos, battery, little brass collars, and brass for the prop and pump... is still under $150.  Given the price of a regulator and a 3.5 ounce bottle, that's right about what I want.  We are on target to get done under $250 (plus shipping for those of us who live in rural areas with few hobby stores).

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11 Sep 2010 03:37 PM

hey just my ply wood for the ribs is 6mm ok i live in canada and home depot had only 6 mm it close to 1/4

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 Add is carpenters glue good to glue the ribs to the keel

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11 Sep 2010 04:07 PM
i live in canada too and the home depot i went to had 1/4" plywood
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11 Sep 2010 04:58 PM
@NC - 6mm is fine, some people have said 7mm is fine too. If you built a ship using 7mm vice 1/4" I would have no problem with it. Check with the nearest club. I'm sure some of the other Canadian battlers have had similar issues come up. Actually, I'm going to post that as a question under general topics

Under NO circumstances use carpenter's glue for shipbuilding. Waterproof epoxy is best. You can use CA glue (superglue) to tack things together, but that's about it. Carpenter's glue will come apart after a dunking. So will hot glue, don't ask how I know, suffice to say it wasn't pretty.

@ everyone - I have been out in the shop getting naughty with thin balsa and CA glue. The port side solid area is 'planked' at the moment with the balsa sheet, and will shortly be receiving a few layers of fiberglass after I plank the stbd solid area, too! Balsa is not as good as 1/64" ply, but it'll do fine with fiberglass and epoxy. Looks SWEET! Pics to follow

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12 Sep 2010 09:51 PM

A preview of the upcoming lesson on planking the bottom of your boat...

I started with styrofoam, cut with a hot-wire cutter, but then I realized that not everyone has one of those, and it'd be something else to buy.  So I'm doing the old 'cover it in balsa and 'glass it' method.

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13 Sep 2010 12:01 AM
Another optional material that works very well is 1/32" thick plywood available in many hobby shops.
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13 Sep 2010 07:28 PM
hey just started the cutting of the rib today with a coping saw man i hacked it up. got like 16 more to go that for another day
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13 Sep 2010 08:06 PM
NC, you using a hand-powered coping saw, or an electric one? I've got some tips, but it depends on which you're using, which I'll post
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13 Sep 2010 08:36 PM
I used the 1/32nd aircraft ply on my Kirishima.
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13 Sep 2010 09:01 PM
Use whatever works/is available/cheap enough to afford (depending on what's limiting you)

The drive setup and pump will both be using 400-size motors, or the brushless equivalent thereof. I will be showing both type of motors, plus how to make a MAG throttle for the po'boys and waterproofing the brushless ESC (using the method Dave R used) for those who want to go brushless. Pump switch will also be shown, or an ESC, possibly some other options.
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13 Sep 2010 09:16 PM
how far below the sub deck (top of) does the the hardaria start
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13 Sep 2010 10:37 PM
hand coping saw was a carpanter just didnt set up good enough need to get my clamp up. i know the diff between imperial and metric just wasnt sure if it was allowed in clubs thats all
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13 Sep 2010 11:36 PM
I don't think anybody would complain honestly. Most of us would love to just have more boats on the pond. The only time I can see it possibly become an issue would maybe be at a Nats. Not sure though.

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14 Sep 2010 06:26 AM
@EvilJoker - the hard area starts 1" below the waterline. I build to the scale waterline, which is about 11/16" below the bottom of the subdeck. Or 2.5" up from the bottom of the keel.
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18 Sep 2010 07:40 PM

hey to work on my ship today here are a few pics

me at work

 

heres rib 12 the snapped well being cut. a little crazy glue and good to go

note i havent fully finishing cutting the ribs in pic

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18 Sep 2010 08:38 PM
Don't worry about the snapped rib, Lance... after it's all assembled, that area will be heavily reinforced anyway! Makes me happy to see progress

@ the Class: I've been testing motors and pump stuff... I will get a lesson together tomorrow for your enjoyment.
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19 Sep 2010 12:16 AM
Wondering about those myself. Brushed or brushless that is the question.
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19 Sep 2010 07:48 AM
I will be showing both ways to do it. For me, brushless. It's a bit more expensive, but not hideously so. It's also less labor-intensive than soldering up a MAG throttle. But I will show options for brushed and brushless as part of the class. We'll be using 400-sized brushless, or 550-sized brushed, for both motors.
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