webwookie
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 | | 08 Jul 2008 09:31 PM | | | | | FNS Mogador (1/144): laid down
Russian Destroyer Kapitan Belli (1/144): laid down
USS Gearing, DD-710 (1/144): stricken
USS Chevalier, DD-805 (1/144): approved
V-108 (1/96): under consideration
Z-25 (1/144): fitting out underway | |
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Tugboat
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| | 09 Jul 2008 05:40 AM | | Nice work! | | | |
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Anachronus
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| | 09 Jul 2008 07:57 AM | | Again, excellent work. I think this ship should be a bit more rugged since the forecastle deck has a rib at the step.
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Anachronus
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| | 10 Jul 2008 07:48 AM | | I did a test fit last night with some cardboard. I think the way you have done the keel is brilliant. It greatly simplifies construction. Even if it was done to make things fit better on standard paper sizes.
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webwookie
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| | 10 Jul 2008 08:55 AM | | I'm building one myself at the moment from balsa sheet; I may be able to take a few photos tonight (once I find my camera) after making enough progress. The rib pattern is compatible across formats and the bow and stern impenetrable areas can be adjusted in size (the existing allocated areas are very small). I ran across some basic drawings online in 1/100 scale last night so I'll see if I can create a superstructure design based upon that. While the Gearing Class design is proving to be very involved, there are a number of smaller destroyers, torpedo boats, and miscellaneous vessels for which I had started on designs in the past but abandoned partially completed. As I have the opportunity to dig up each one, I may convert a few more into models (as here) and post them up to the file manager. This particular model brings up an interesting thought; I'm wondering what would be involved to develop a viable electric/spring-powered reloading cannon along the lines of the way that automatic airsoft guns work. For ships of this size, it may be the best option for arming something other than torpedoes. | | | FNS Mogador (1/144): laid down
Russian Destroyer Kapitan Belli (1/144): laid down
USS Gearing, DD-710 (1/144): stricken
USS Chevalier, DD-805 (1/144): approved
V-108 (1/96): under consideration
Z-25 (1/144): fitting out underway | |
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Anachronus
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| | 10 Jul 2008 10:17 AM | | The need to recompress the spring being the main problem. I think spring loading works well for one-shots like torpedoes, but for a gun I think CO2 is probably the best bet. Not sure what more could be done to make the gas option lighter.
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webwookie
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| | 10 Jul 2008 12:18 PM | | quote:
Originally posted by Anachronus
The need to recompress the spring being the main problem. I think spring loading works well for one-shots like torpedoes, but for a gun I think CO2 is probably the best bet. Not sure what more could be done to make the gas option lighter.
I'm figuring that with enough reduction gearing on an electric motor to compress the spring, it would be possible while still being able to fire with a reasonable kinetic energy. The reason I've mentioned it is that it would allow all of a ship systems to run on electrical power, eliminating the need for separate gas and electrical systems. | | | FNS Mogador (1/144): laid down
Russian Destroyer Kapitan Belli (1/144): laid down
USS Gearing, DD-710 (1/144): stricken
USS Chevalier, DD-805 (1/144): approved
V-108 (1/96): under consideration
Z-25 (1/144): fitting out underway | |
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Anachronus
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| | 10 Jul 2008 02:03 PM | | Increased battery weight might make it a wash, though LiPo batteries could be doable. Then it is down to mechanical reliability. An interesting idea at least What about an electro-magnetic cannon? BB's are steel after all. quote:
Originally posted by webwookie
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Originally posted by Anachronus
The need to recompress the spring being the main problem. I think spring loading works well for one-shots like torpedoes, but for a gun I think CO2 is probably the best bet. Not sure what more could be done to make the gas option lighter.
I'm figuring that with enough reduction gearing on an electric motor to compress the spring, it would be possible while still being able to fire with a reasonable kinetic energy. The reason I've mentioned it is that it would allow all of a ship systems to run on electrical power, eliminating the need for separate gas and electrical systems.
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webwookie
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| | 10 Jul 2008 03:10 PM | | quote:
Originally posted by Anachronus
Increased battery weight might make it a wash, though LiPo batteries could be doable. Then it is down to mechanical reliability. An interesting idea at least
What about an electro-magnetic cannon? BB's are steel after all.
A coilgun or solenoid-powered cannon would be interesting...but that's heading into a topic that's territory for a new thread. | | | FNS Mogador (1/144): laid down
Russian Destroyer Kapitan Belli (1/144): laid down
USS Gearing, DD-710 (1/144): stricken
USS Chevalier, DD-805 (1/144): approved
V-108 (1/96): under consideration
Z-25 (1/144): fitting out underway | |
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Kotori87
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| | 10 Jul 2008 04:36 PM | | That's one itty-bitty little destroyer. At least it's bigger than the V-108 project. Do you have any photos of what the upperworks are supposed to look like? For armament, either spring-powered torps or a single fast-gun-style cannon is what I'd try. Although any sort of CO2 system is kinda pushing it.
Here's an idea. Spring-powered spurt cannon? Just take your regular spring-powered torpedo and put 15 bbs in there instead of your regular 1/4" ball. Maybe even put in a stronger spring so they hit harder. And be sure to keep the 1/4" bore, so you get a decent shotgun effect when you pull the trigger. | | | There are 101 different types of people: those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who just can't count... | |
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Anachronus
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| | 10 Jul 2008 07:19 PM | | That's a good idea. It makes it more of a cross platform ship. | | | I am prepared to meet my maker, whether He is prepared for the ordeal of meeting me is another matter.
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| | 10 Jul 2008 07:41 PM | | Even in 1/96, the V-106 is tiny... I'll try to get a pic tomorrow after I wake up around 4PM... (at work right now thru Monday morning) | | | |
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Anachronus
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| | 10 Jul 2008 07:47 PM | | I found a couple of pictures of this class that I will scan and post on the morrow.
This boat is almost exactly the same size as a Clemson/Wickes class flushdecker. Just found that odd. | | | I am prepared to meet my maker, whether He is prepared for the ordeal of meeting me is another matter.
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| | 10 Jul 2008 08:15 PM | | I found some pics on the Russian wikipedia... | | | |
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webwookie
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| | 11 Jul 2008 09:57 AM | | She would also make for a reasonable minelayer, perhaps armed with spring-powered torpedo cannon for defense/a little more bite. I know that they had three funnels, one cannon on the forecastle with the remainder on or near the poop deck. I'm fairly certain that there was a little bit of superstructure amidship near the funnels. It should make building them quicker than otherwise with such a limited superstructure. Here's a photo of the progress here:  It's all balsa thus far that will be receiving fiberglass reinforcing that will extend to cover any impenetrable areas of the keel. I think I'll also cut out the bottom plate to add a water channel and pump well; fitting a pump may prove to be a different story though. | | | FNS Mogador (1/144): laid down
Russian Destroyer Kapitan Belli (1/144): laid down
USS Gearing, DD-710 (1/144): stricken
USS Chevalier, DD-805 (1/144): approved
V-108 (1/96): under consideration
Z-25 (1/144): fitting out underway | |
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Anachronus
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| | 11 Jul 2008 01:20 PM | | I think you are right. A semi cylindrical bridge with wings, 3 funnels with something, the middle funnel thicker than the other two and a little searchlight tower/rear deck house near the stern.
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webwookie
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| | 12 Jul 2008 07:24 PM | | Just a brief note: to further keep the weight down while still providing significant stiffness when using plywood for the ribs and keels fore and aft, I believe it might prove worthwhile to use honeycomb composite board for the center baseboard. One source of suitable material would be the following: Visit this site I found the following (somewhat low resolution) image online earlier this evening. Hopefully I'm not violating anything by reposting it. It doesn't appear to have a sufficiently high resolution to use for accurate measurement however, but it does at least appear to confirm the prior assumptions regarding the simple superstructure.  | | | FNS Mogador (1/144): laid down
Russian Destroyer Kapitan Belli (1/144): laid down
USS Gearing, DD-710 (1/144): stricken
USS Chevalier, DD-805 (1/144): approved
V-108 (1/96): under consideration
Z-25 (1/144): fitting out underway | |
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Anachronus
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| | 13 Jul 2008 12:24 PM | | Some more images
Line Drawing
http://www.rcnavalcombat.com/FileManager/Storage/633515590980545000.png
There are also two photos under the Battlestations ship lists but I can't seem to get them to link.
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webwookie
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| | 13 Jul 2008 05:35 PM | | Looks like I had a bit of deviation in the shape of the stern; the part of that that's not due to the added hull volume I'll have to look into correcting. | | | FNS Mogador (1/144): laid down
Russian Destroyer Kapitan Belli (1/144): laid down
USS Gearing, DD-710 (1/144): stricken
USS Chevalier, DD-805 (1/144): approved
V-108 (1/96): under consideration
Z-25 (1/144): fitting out underway | |
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Anachronus
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| | 13 Jul 2008 07:05 PM | | quote:
Originally posted by webwookie
Looks like I had a bit of deviation in the shape of the stern; the part of that that's not due to the added hull volume I'll have to look into correcting.
Well that was the Garvill (sp.) class that was built to the same design from a different yard. The stern you have could be right. I was just trying to show the deck houses which should be very close. | | | I am prepared to meet my maker, whether He is prepared for the ordeal of meeting me is another matter.
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