Bismarck/Tirpitz Hull by BC
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23 Feb 2009 06:58 PM
I do believe that I corresponded with Bob in the past.
I shall send out some emails and see what happens.
At worse, I can continue to build my own hull from scratch.
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23 Feb 2009 08:39 PM
The illusion of (or of not) the curve may be caussed by the armour belt.
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24 Feb 2009 02:58 AM
The Ralph hull has the curve as does the plans I have. It made putting a bow gun on my Tirpitz tricky.
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24 Feb 2009 05:39 AM

I think that I did not make my concern clear.

The photo of the BC, there is an angle in the hull wall.
Every print that I have seen of this ship, displays the hull wall as a graceful curve from bow to stern.

looking at the graphics below, displays the difference that I am talking about. The angle would give the ship an unfair advantage in displacement. and make it very easy to install that forward turret.

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24 Feb 2009 07:13 AM
Would it amount to much in 144 scale. I don't think it would give any real advantage or if it does the hull would not fit under the 10% rule most formats use for hull variance.
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24 Feb 2009 07:16 AM
Gentlemen,
The BC Bismark was Drawn in Cad useing a combonation of
prints .No two prints are alike. Even Buildersprints are different from each other.
It depends on the draftsmen, 40 or more years ago, and how many times they have been
copied and when. You must relie on the Diamensions more than the shape of some print,
when makeing a hull plug
The plug was cut useing a CNC Router. It easily meets the golden 2% rule.
Also remeber that fiberglass hulls flex and bend till backed up. I think this is
what some one is seeing.
Even on the real ships no two hulls are exactly the same.
I would not expect Ralphs hull or Swampys hull to match BCs.
Not wrong, just different peoples interpretations of the ship.
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24 Feb 2009 10:28 AM

Ralph's Bismarck hull/ Tirpitz side profile

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24 Feb 2009 10:29 AM

Ralph's hull and SwampWork's hull

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24 Feb 2009 10:31 AM

Midships showing armour belt comparison

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24 Feb 2009 10:32 AM

Bow shot

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24 Feb 2009 10:34 AM

SWAMPY'S BISMARCK BOW

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24 Feb 2009 10:35 AM

Ralph Cole's Bismarck Bow

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24 Feb 2009 10:36 AM

Both hulls side bow profile. Not much difference here.

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24 Feb 2009 10:38 AM

Overhead view of the stern of both hulls

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24 Feb 2009 10:40 AM

Over head view of the bow /forcastle section

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24 Feb 2009 10:42 AM

Hull interior of Ralph Cole Bismarck/Tirpitz . Hulls in this stage tend to flex outward and become wider. The builder has to ensure that the sides are pulled in to the correct scale beam as possible.

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24 Feb 2009 10:47 AM

Bismarck's hull interior . Ship is going through a refit

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24 Feb 2009 10:54 AM
Curt, of the two hulls in your photos, are either of them the BC hull?
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24 Feb 2009 11:33 AM
One is a swampy and the other is done by Ralph.
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24 Feb 2009 11:39 AM
Nope. One is from Swampwork's the other is from Ralph Cole. I saw the BC hull . The overhead shot is giving you a false impression of the armor knuckles. In my opinioin the BC hull looks great. i I wanted to give you some comparisons with the BC hull to help your decision making.The bow and lines look right. I have 3 different plans of the Bismarck/ Tirpitz and if I was to build each model from each of these plans I would have 3 Bismarck models with slight differences in them. I have seen well over 100 different Bismarck hulls and the one thing I learned was that there is no exact correct one out there. Each was built according to the reference and plan used. The BC hull is another great addtion and if I deciide to retire my old one and use another for Combat or for a scale RC runner I would not hesitate to get the BC Bismarck hull. These were just some examples of how 2 hulls made from 2 different plans would come out. I think Swampy's may have come from Goff plans which are semi scale and generic but suitable for strictly RC combat and Ralph used Anatomy of Ship Series Plans from the book to make his version of the Great ship. Honestly 99% of the people out there really don't know the difference between an accurate hull and a one off or semi scale hull. Your decision will be easier if you keep in mind what your intention is with your model. These combat models will have modifications to them to make them practical for RC and particularly RC combat.

Hope this helps you.

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