Steve Tyng Veteran
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 | | 04 Jan 2011 11:08 AM | | Here's the start of my Mogador build thread. No pics yet but I'll get some up as it progresses. Over the weekend I drew-in the frame locations and my target waterline which is about 1/4" higher than the design WL on the plans. Last night I floated the hull weighted to the target WL and measured the result this morning at 3.2 pounds so that's my target build weight. So far my components are coming in at a bit under 3 pounds so I may be able to meet the 3.2 pounds. If not, the rules allow an extra 1 pound over the heavy displacement which gives me a little over a pound to play with. This week I'll be installing the sub-deck by laminating with basswood strips and Goop. FYI, the bare BC Mogador hull weighed in at 1.15 pounds. Steve | | | | Tags: Mogador, France, Battlers Connection, fiberglass | |
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 | | 04 Jan 2011 12:09 PM | | Scale model weight for Moggy is like 3.52, max model weight is 4.87. I wonder how deep she'd sit at scale weight? No rule about minimum weight, just interesting. I am certain you can make your desired weight, it's not that hard if you have a lightweight regulator.  I have found it much easier to make the lightweight DDs using 1/16" bass or ply for the decks and ribs, doubling or tripling the ribs to make them thicker on the edges where the balsa attaches. | | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
Building: HMS KGV (Drives, pumps water, guns are in but not plumbed)
MN Edgar Quinet (Hull done)
Drydock/Mothballed: Rus Evstafi, DKM Lutzow, HMS Invincible
Plus 20-odd other projects, according to my Boy Scouts who thoughtfully counted them for me. | |
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Steve Tyng Veteran
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 | | 04 Jan 2011 12:35 PM | | I've got a Genuine Innovations 32gram composite regulator shipping in from the UK. It’s been looked at before on this site and had an issue that I think I can work through (leakage by the puncture seal). Funny thing, I can get a product produced in the USA cheaper from the UK (including shipping) than I can get from the manufacturer.
http://www.reallyquiteuseful.co.uk/composite-regulator-from-innovations.html
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 | | 04 Jan 2011 04:55 PM | | The fixed pressure regulator from Strike Models is also very light, I made weight in my Orfey-class DD with it, and it's a lighter ship than most would try  I really need to get its electrics rewired and play with it  But you already ordered the one from the UK, so if you can get that one worked out, that'll be another source of lightweight regulators. | | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
Building: HMS KGV (Drives, pumps water, guns are in but not plumbed)
MN Edgar Quinet (Hull done)
Drydock/Mothballed: Rus Evstafi, DKM Lutzow, HMS Invincible
Plus 20-odd other projects, according to my Boy Scouts who thoughtfully counted them for me. | |
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Steve Tyng Veteran
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 | | 06 Jan 2011 09:44 AM | | First pics. These show the sub-deck being laminated in. The strips are 1/8" x 1/4" basswood and will be cut/sanded flush to the deck edge. One of my limitations on this project is no odors in the house so this part is being done in a store room at work as the E-6000 adhesive is solvent based. The location also provides an unlimited supply of lamination clamps! Steve 


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 | | 06 Jan 2011 12:00 PM | | I did that method of subdeck creation in my old HMS Lion back in '04, except I laminated 1/16" x 1/4" pieces. It's still holding up very well and battling, so it must be an okay method  Looking forward to seeing the rest of your build! | | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
Building: HMS KGV (Drives, pumps water, guns are in but not plumbed)
MN Edgar Quinet (Hull done)
Drydock/Mothballed: Rus Evstafi, DKM Lutzow, HMS Invincible
Plus 20-odd other projects, according to my Boy Scouts who thoughtfully counted them for me. | |
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 | | 06 Jan 2011 12:11 PM | | That hull looks nice and thick, unlike the Mogador hull I have.
Been thinking of removing the deck and subdeck and starting again. I put them in not long after entering the hobby and since then have learned better construction techniques. It'll be interesting to see how Steve's Mogador deck/subdeck turns out, especially with his mad-crazy-good wood working skills. | | Mike Mangus
Beware the French Revolution! Operational:
HMS Erin DN
FN Richelieu BB
FN Verite PDN
Launched
Le Requin Xebec (AoS)
Under Construction:
FN Mogador DE
FN Gascogne BB (Treaty)
FN Bretagne (1/96) (delayed)
Mothballed:
FN Bearn CV
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Steve Tyng Veteran
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 | | 06 Jan 2011 12:37 PM | | I appreciate the comment on my "mad-crazy-good wood working skills" but unfortunately I currently do not have access to my shop or tools. My wife and I are giving city-living a try and are in a condo on the DC line. The shop (and the house in front of it) has been rented out and all my beloved stationary power tools are in storage or sold off. This Moggy build is going to be relatively tool free except for what shop time I can grab from Frank or Marty on Friday nights. Most of the build will be on a pull out craft table I ordered from Walmart (aka, a sewing table) and a collection of hand tools. Should be fun! This BC Moggy hull is thick on the ends but thin in the middle (1/16"). I'm debating whether to back the ribs with reinforcement, especially since it appears to made from only spray-chop.
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 | | 06 Jan 2011 01:21 PM | | Won't hurt to reinforce the ribs ... pretty much have to put something back there anyway to keep the internal armor off the ribs.
| | Mike Mangus
Beware the French Revolution! Operational:
HMS Erin DN
FN Richelieu BB
FN Verite PDN
Launched
Le Requin Xebec (AoS)
Under Construction:
FN Mogador DE
FN Gascogne BB (Treaty)
FN Bretagne (1/96) (delayed)
Mothballed:
FN Bearn CV
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Steve Tyng Veteran
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 | | 06 Jan 2011 01:37 PM | | How far off should the internal armor be held off the outer skin?
Steve
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 | | 06 Jan 2011 01:49 PM | | 1/2" is good
| | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
Building: HMS KGV (Drives, pumps water, guns are in but not plumbed)
MN Edgar Quinet (Hull done)
Drydock/Mothballed: Rus Evstafi, DKM Lutzow, HMS Invincible
Plus 20-odd other projects, according to my Boy Scouts who thoughtfully counted them for me. | |
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 | | 06 Jan 2011 03:41 PM | | I think 1/4" is more than enough. The BB has to be able to go completely through the hull skin. When I build a wood ship, I tend to go with 3/8" wide ribs which sets the internal armor back 3/8". On fiberglass hulls, I use 1/4" square stock to back the ribs. | | Mike Mangus
Beware the French Revolution! Operational:
HMS Erin DN
FN Richelieu BB
FN Verite PDN
Launched
Le Requin Xebec (AoS)
Under Construction:
FN Mogador DE
FN Gascogne BB (Treaty)
FN Bretagne (1/96) (delayed)
Mothballed:
FN Bearn CV
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thegeek Veteran
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 | | 06 Jan 2011 05:22 PM | | I use 1/8" Aluminum and bend it to form and then goop it to the FG. Tough and light and easy to form to the bends of the hull. 1/8" is enough if you hang the Showpan liner or other material.
On a Mogador I would use 1/16" to back the ribs, strong enough. | | | |
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Steve Tyng Veteran
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 | | 06 Jan 2011 07:18 PM | | Must be on the same wavelength. I bought the 1/16" aluminum last week. Since it's a tried and true method I'll move ahead with it. Steve | | | |
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Steve Tyng Veteran
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 | | 08 Jan 2011 11:43 AM | | Hull structure build on the Tyng Mogador continues: Laminated subdeck is cut/planned/sanded to the deck edge. 

Midships frame is installed. 
First look at the 30mm Pro Boats props. 
Testing drive motors in the rig. 
More to come... | | | |
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 | | 10 Jan 2011 12:21 PM | | You're measuring thrust?  I am concerned that 1/16" between the showerpan liner and the balsa won't be enough to let BBs pass thru unimpeded. Any chance you could add some 1/4" standoffs or something? | | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
Building: HMS KGV (Drives, pumps water, guns are in but not plumbed)
MN Edgar Quinet (Hull done)
Drydock/Mothballed: Rus Evstafi, DKM Lutzow, HMS Invincible
Plus 20-odd other projects, according to my Boy Scouts who thoughtfully counted them for me. | |
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Steve Tyng Veteran
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 | | 10 Jan 2011 01:39 PM | | You mean everybody doesn't measure thrust? ;-)
After consultation with several senior members of MAG I've decided not to reinforce the ribs on the Tyng Mogador. The general consensus was that the BC Mogador hull was thick for the type and that extra backing was not required. The internal armor will be hanging off the 3/8" wide subdeck so will be well off the outside balsa.
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 | | 10 Jan 2011 03:04 PM | | Steve, What are you using for armor? Up here some of us are using the plastic canvas from the dollar store. It is light, cheap and best of flexable enough to bend around anything but rigid enough to give excellent protection. It is ideal for those tight fitting spots in smaller hulls. Just a suggestion, J | | | "There it is again...kind of a BOOM sound" -short lived Allied lookout | |
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Steve Tyng Veteran
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 | | 10 Jan 2011 03:11 PM | | If weights not to much of an issue I have some shower pan liner. If an issue, I've acquired some plastic very heavy duty looking light weight shelf liner material that looks like it may be able to take a bb round. I'll be testing it at some point.
Steve
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 | | 10 Jan 2011 03:11 PM | | Posted By Steve Tyng on 10 Jan 2011 01:39 PM
You mean everybody doesn't measure thrust? ;-)
Yeah a lot of people don't for some reason, I dont understand why. It's simple to do and it it gives you some good information for system design/optimization. Now if only the stupid chipmunks and field mice would stop jumping into my test tank.....we've got us a floater.... | | | |
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