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28 Jul 2010 10:23 PM
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29 Jul 2010 07:01 PM
hey tug, i know this is getting ahead of the lesson, but what type of radio do i need. i want to go ahead and see what type of deal i can get on one.
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29 Jul 2010 09:11 PM
For my ship (Edie [because all my ships are girls!]), I bought a $45 Chinese 7 channel 2.4GHz radio. If you buy a radio off Hobbyking.com, make sure that you get some good standard servos with it in the order, because you can buy them for like $5 each, and they won't add to the shipping cost much! There are several inexpensive 2.4GHz radios available now (some are discussed in the Electrical and/or Product Review sections of these forums). Another option is hitting E-bay for a used 3,4, or 6-channel radio in the 75MHz frequency band. Do NOT buy a 72MHz radio, as these are aircraft-legal only, and not allowed to be used on surface ships (nor subs!). A couple of guys have gotten lucky at yard sales with radios buried amongst the clutter.

For our purposes, you will need to buy 4 servos: 1 for throttle, 1 for rudder, 1 for guns, and at least 1 spare (I would buy 2 for a total of five). The pump will be controlled by a simple auto pump switch, so someone using a 3-channel radio (lots of RC car guys have these) can run this ship without a problem. I will post the model number of the servos I'm using tomorrow, I don't feel like going out into the hot, humid, oppressively sweaty Georgia night to look at one right now! We will have a lesson on waterproofing the ones I'm using (which are very similar to the Futaba standard servos) before too long. The good news is that they do pretty well, even with no waterproofing! Not to say that I would be SO irresponsible as to send a ship out with un-waterproofed servos!! NOTE: When buying a radio, find out how many and what kind of servos are included. Micro servos can be used for throttle switches, but not for guns nor the rudder.
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29 Jul 2010 10:02 PM
K, thanks. I'll see what I can get.
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30 Jul 2010 06:38 PM
Professor Tugboat, can we have lesson two before the weekend, if so I'll give you another apple

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30 Jul 2010 07:12 PM
I'll post the 'putting ribs on the keel' lesson tonight, then tomorrow, the 'how to make a subdeck' lesson. Once you get a subdeck fitted, it starts to look like a boat THEN it gets interesting!
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30 Jul 2010 09:38 PM

Okay... by now, everyone (more or less) should have a 1/4" square stick at least 33" long for a keel, and a few ribs (or many ribs!) cut out. 

Take the keel and lay it on a flat surface.  You will be using you ruler for this part.  Make one mark 1/2" from one end.  measuring from that mark, now use the ruler to make one mark every 2 1/8" along the keel.  The mark 1" from the end is the BOW end of the keel, and is for Frame 17.  I like to number my markings, but it's up to you   The keels will go either just forward, or just aft of those marks.  Either is fine in our scale, just be consistent with which one you use on a particular ship.  The frames forward of 17 and aft of 4 will be on separate, shaped keels.  I will be posting the jpeg (prints on an 8.5x11 piece of paper) with both the forward and aft keels on it, this morning.  It is at the end of this post. 

Below, you see a solitary frame being lined up on the keel.  It has been placed just aft of the marking on the keel (numbering the marks helps when you are using one of the middle frames first!), and lined up perpendicular to the keel using two square blocks of plywood, which will be joined by 2 more.  These hold the frame vertical, and true to the keel as well, while our temporary dollop of super glue (CA glue for the purists) cures.  *It occurs to me that someone might ask, 'gee, perfessor, why start in the middle?'...  and it would be a good question.  The reason is that the middle frames are much wider and can hold the whole mess upright by themselves, whereas the frames towards the bow and stern are skinnier along the keel, and the whole mess would fall over.  To the bottom right, you see another frame waiting to be glued on, and to the top right, you can see a very unhealthy assemblage of caffeine and high-fructose corn syrup, which I waste a lot of time at work encouraging my patients to stay away from.

Anyhow, after the first frame is securely glued to the keel, move along and do another, and another!  Below, you can see that I used a random piece of 1/4" ply to make sure that the second frame to be glued on is level with the first frame.  This is continued as we add more frames.  On WW2 ships, which tend to have a lot of upward curve to the bow, you can still do this to make sure that they're square (i.e. the deck won't be twisting from left to right).  Note the stack of plywood blocks on the forward frame being glued on.  

POP QUIZ, CLASS!  PUT AWAY YOUR TEXTBOOKS!  Bonus points to whoever counts the correct number of ships/ship projects visible in the picture above!  Super bonus points to the person who correctly names the most ships from the picture!  I will be posting a second pic tomorrow with ships circled and named.

 Here is the drawing with the fore and aft keels.  Lesson coming!

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30 Jul 2010 09:52 PM

1 Pommern,  1 edgar quinet a can of dew and 5 more ships.

no beer cans tho whats up with that

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30 Jul 2010 11:25 PM
A moose, Edie, Pommern, a couple I can't make out. Is that Othar on the shelf? (left side)
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31 Jul 2010 06:41 AM
You guys are doing well, though I'm surprised that no one got the name of the battleship over the cargo door.

As for no beer cans... a few reasons. 1)I'm not a tea-totaller, but I get enough bruises and cuts without alcohol in the shop! 2) I prefer hard cider to beer. 3) Brian K and I have got 3 of our Boy Scouts into model warship combat, can't really have them wandering in for a build session and seeing beer cans laying around.* 4)I just need the caffeine sometimes!

I will grade your answers after a few more take the quiz, but you guys aren't far off.


*I am far too lazy to clean up my shop regularly, which would keep said cans out of their sight. So don't suggest it!
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31 Jul 2010 06:42 AM

IMPORTANT NOTICE!!! WHEN YOU NUMBER THE KEEL, THE FIRST MARK 1" FROM THE END IS FOR FRAME 17!!! I WILL CHANGE THIS IN THE LESSON, BUT DON'T PUT FRAME 20 THERE!!!

 

EDIT: I changed the lesson from last night to explain why Frame 20 doesn't go on the keel.  It's one of those things that I wouldn't have missed if we were in the shop doing it, and I'm sorry if anyone has already glued frames 18-20 to a keel  

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31 Jul 2010 08:10 AM
It looks like a King George over the door...
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And lots and lots of wood.
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31 Jul 2010 08:19 AM
lol. It IS a KGV, which Pete Dmitri was going to throw away!! I got it and someday it will make a fine target vessel, or perhaps the victorious axis can anchor it near a small island and then test nuclear weapons to see how it does
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31 Jul 2010 06:51 PM
how much would you sell it for?
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31 Jul 2010 06:54 PM
Not for sale, sorry!
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31 Jul 2010 08:36 PM
i was joking, it would probably cost me more to fix up than it would for me to finish this ship.
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31 Jul 2010 09:32 PM
Guaranteed to cost a bunch more than the entire Edgar Quinet from scratch

I'm uploading pics now from today's work. Tomorrow morning I do the subdeck and it really starts looking like a boat
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31 Jul 2010 10:08 PM

Got some serious cutting, sanding, and gluing done today!  Below is the cut paper form of the stern keel.  Love those lines!!  The little crosshatched area is to be cut out so that fitting the stuffing tube (the tube that the prop shaft goes through) won't be a pain    The prop in the drawing is a hair over 1.25" diameter, which is great, since we will be going with a 1.25" prop to push the fully scale rudder.  MWCI guys, technically speaking we must use the standard 1.75 sq.in. rudder until (if!) the BOD grants permission to use the scale rudder.  I will be emailing my documentation to my BOD members for Region 3 to (per the rules) substantiate that Edgar Quinet's rudder is >1.75 sq.in. in scale.  Since my documentation is the original French shipyard plans, I'm reasonably hopeful of getting permission. I will post here when I know which rudder we can use.  In the meantime, I'm building with a scale rudder because it looks cool.

Below is the stern keel in vivo for your viewing pleasure.  The prop is a 1.25" prop just for scale.  We will be making props in a later lesson, as a pair of nice pre-made ones costs like $20.  Ignore the big fatty notch just aft of frame 3.  It was for an idea that I discarded.    DO note the 1/4" high, 1" long notch on the front bottom of the keel where it mates up to the main keel.  All in all, I like how the stern keel came out.  The French drew some nice lines when they designed Edie

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31 Jul 2010 10:18 PM

A few pics looking through the ribcage... since the top one was taken, the rest of the ribs were added.  I'd have done a new pic, but the camera was in the house and it was raining.

View por detrás...   Forza!   (Ships way off from left to right: Elorn Maru, Kongo)

and from the bow...

And a gratuitous pic of Inspector Tuxcat, cause he's awesome.  Working tirelessly to ensure that your lessons meet BuShips exacting standards...  Lord only knows the debt owed to this paragon of shipbuilding excellence by battling noobs everywhere (including myself) 

Currently, he is chewing my finger to check for adequate resilience in battle.

Tomorrow, subdeck adventures!!

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31 Jul 2010 10:26 PM
The size comparison with the Musashi hull is interesting.
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