dietzer
Lieutenant
Posts:403
 | | 10 Aug 2011 12:44 PM |
| My Conway's is still packed in a box somewhere in one of three storage units.  The original Battlestations website has the Conway data for the Graf Spee, but not for the Viribus Unitis. Can some kind soul give me the official Conway specs for the Viribus Unitis? Thanks, Carl | | | |
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Anachronus
Rear Admiral (RADM)
Posts:2286
| | 10 Aug 2011 01:26 PM |
| Displacement (Design) 20,013.5 (Deep) 21,595
Dimensions 495'5" w/l 499'3" o/a; Beam 89'8"; Draft 29' deep load
4 shafts 20.3 knots
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Tugboat
Veteran
Admiral
Posts:4544
| | 10 Aug 2011 02:18 PM |
| So which one are you building, Dietz? | | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
Building: HMS KGV (Drives, pumps water, guns are in but not plumbed)
MN Edgar Quinet (Hull done)
Drydock/Mothballed: Rus Evstafi, DKM Lutzow, HMS Invincible
Plus 20-odd other projects, according to my Boy Scouts who thoughtfully counted them for me. | |
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Gascan
Veteran
Captain
Posts:803
| | 10 Aug 2011 08:58 PM |
| Hmmm... that's a tough choice. Szent Istvan is the one most people have seen: any WW1 documentary that mentions the naval war will automatically include at least a few seconds of the battleship rolling over (after being struck by only a single torpedo during her only wartime action) to illustrate the futility of the naval arms race leading up to the war. Add to that the fact that the shipyard building her misread the plans and built her with only two shafts instead of the four her sisters had... Viribus Unitis was blown up and sank in port just days after being handed over to a neutral nation to avoid being given to the Allies. Prinz Eugen (named for a general) was given to the French, disarmed, and expended as a target ship for battleships and aircraft. Not sure which is worse: being disarmed and expended as a target, or being given to the French. The fourth was Tegetthoff, named for the Admiral who won the largest (and only) fleet battle of ironclads. This ship has a longstanding place in cinema: Tegetthoff was the platform on which cameras filmed both the Szent Istvan and the Viribus Unitis sinking, and later was a key actor in an Italian film after the war. | | | |
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dietzer
Lieutenant
Posts:403
| | 11 Aug 2011 12:08 PM |
| Hey Tug, My plan was to build Graf Spee first, followed by the Viribus. But the more I look at the Viribus Unitis plans, the more I like it. If not for her slow speed and the casemate guns (making the casemates scares me a bit), Viribus would be a slam dunk. So I guess I'm on the fence right now.  Carl | | | |
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RichelieuBB
Veteran
Rear Admiral (RDML)
Posts:1419
| | 11 Aug 2011 01:52 PM |
| The casements aren't that tough really. Take a look at the Erin thread for some casements done in wood.  Speed is nice when you have to chase someone down. Yet even that speedy ship is going to have to get close enough to shoot at the slow ship which of course will shoot back.  | | Mike Mangus
Beware the French Revolution!
Operational:
HMS Erin DN
FN Richelieu BB
FN Verite PDN
Launched
Le Requin Xebec (AoS)
Under Construction:
FN Mogador DE
FN Gascogne BB (Treaty)
FN Bretagne (1/96) (delayed)
Mothballed:
FN Bearn CV
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dietzer
Lieutenant
Posts:403
| | 11 Aug 2011 03:22 PM |
| I was thinking more along the lines that speed is nice to have when you need to run.  I checked out the Erin thread. Nice work! After seeing the damage done to your wood casemates, though, I think I'll use some thick plastic (like delrin) or fiberglass instead. Many thanks, Carl | | | |
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dietzer
Lieutenant
Posts:403
| | 11 Aug 2011 03:54 PM |
| Posted By Anachronus on 10 Aug 2011 01:26 PM
Displacement (Design) 20,013.5 (Deep) 21,595
Dimensions 495'5" w/l 499'3" o/a; Beam 89'8"; Draft 29' deep load
4 shafts 20.3 knots
Thanks, Anachronus!
Can you tell me how thick the armor is? Thanks, Carl | | | |
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RichelieuBB
Veteran
Rear Admiral (RDML)
Posts:1419
| | 11 Aug 2011 04:40 PM |
| Try using metal also, like aluminum or stainless steel, for the stringers. The Erin survived Nats very well after the casement and stringer refit using hardwoods and carbonfiber. | | Mike Mangus
Beware the French Revolution!
Operational:
HMS Erin DN
FN Richelieu BB
FN Verite PDN
Launched
Le Requin Xebec (AoS)
Under Construction:
FN Mogador DE
FN Gascogne BB (Treaty)
FN Bretagne (1/96) (delayed)
Mothballed:
FN Bearn CV
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Anachronus
Rear Admiral (RADM)
Posts:2286
| | 11 Aug 2011 05:52 PM |
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dietzer
Lieutenant
Posts:403
| | 11 Aug 2011 09:36 PM |
| Thanks!
So a 1-1/2 gal/min pump and 3/32" armor. Along with 12 7/32" and 12 BB guns. Not bad!
I especially like that she's only a little over 62" long, making her easy to transport.
Carl
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Dustin
Veteran
Ensign
Posts:290
| | 11 Aug 2011 10:12 PM |
| I gotta say, I am excited you are thinking about building this boat. If you decide against it, I would seriously look at building it myself as the Arkansas/Ozark is looking at height problems with fitting in the cannon and a torpedo boat is a long-term challenge. | | | Treaty:
IJN Kirishima (Stricken)
FNS Volta (on hold)
FNS Alsace (under construction)
DKM Ludendorff [O-Class BC] (planned)
Battlestations:
FNS Mogador (Striken)
HMS Gustav V (Order placed)
Big Gun:
FNS Richelieu (Stricken) | |
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Anachronus
Rear Admiral (RADM)
Posts:2286
| | 11 Aug 2011 10:30 PM |
| von Tuggy and I discussed the Arkansas/Ozark and came up with an inch greater hull depth to make it workable. Big Gun rules already allow such modifications we just scaled up.
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Anachronus
Rear Admiral (RADM)
Posts:2286
| | 11 Aug 2011 10:31 PM |
| *N.B. that is of course below the waterline. | | | Vive la France! | |
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Kotori87
Rear Admiral (RADM)
Posts:2343
| | 12 Aug 2011 02:34 AM |
| Hey Carl, with the VU you don't run from scary opponents. You turn from them, and shoot your stern guns, and then THEY run from YOU. Funny how that works, but it hasn't failed me yet | | | There are 101 different types of people: those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who just can't count... | |
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Dustin
Veteran
Ensign
Posts:290
| | 12 Aug 2011 11:46 AM |
| Oh, I thought it was 1/2" on the Arkansas...
The VU turns sooo well, the las place you want to be is behind. | | | Treaty:
IJN Kirishima (Stricken)
FNS Volta (on hold)
FNS Alsace (under construction)
DKM Ludendorff [O-Class BC] (planned)
Battlestations:
FNS Mogador (Striken)
HMS Gustav V (Order placed)
Big Gun:
FNS Richelieu (Stricken) | |
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dietzer
Lieutenant
Posts:403
| | 12 Aug 2011 12:58 PM |
| OK, you guys have convinced me. I'll build the Viribus Unitis. If I'm only able to arm two turrets at first due to cost, then I'll probably arm the two stern mounts first. Thanks for all the great input, guys! Kitori, is it OK if I copy your dual laser cut turret design to make my triples? I have some MPA-7s already, so I can make the bases and accumulators, but I really like the simplicity (and low cost!) of your design. Carl | | | |
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Kotori87
Rear Admiral (RADM)
Posts:2343
| | 12 Aug 2011 02:35 PM |
| Certainly! The idea behind the laser-cut turret was to reduce cost and complexity. You will need to modify the design into a triple, and enlarge it to fit a 1:96 VU. I would also recommend that, if you only arm two turrets, that you do one bow and one stern. If all you do is turn away from other ships and shoot them with stern guns, eventually they just won't approach. I learned that the hard way. | | | There are 101 different types of people: those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who just can't count... | |
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dietzer
Lieutenant
Posts:403
| | 12 Aug 2011 03:45 PM |
| Awesome! And thanks for the great advice!
Many thanks,
Carl
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Dustin
Veteran
Ensign
Posts:290
| | 14 Aug 2011 01:26 AM |
| Also, you can do daisy-chained Arizona cannons for fixed stern guns. It would probably be a bit cheaper, and not a whole lot less effective considering how well that thing turns. Speed is the only disadvantage to that boat, IMHO. | | | Treaty:
IJN Kirishima (Stricken)
FNS Volta (on hold)
FNS Alsace (under construction)
DKM Ludendorff [O-Class BC] (planned)
Battlestations:
FNS Mogador (Striken)
HMS Gustav V (Order placed)
Big Gun:
FNS Richelieu (Stricken) | |
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