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15 Sep 2011 08:52 AM  
Agreed, they are still weak with this proposal, which is as it should be. But with their 4 triple TT mounts, not totally worthless. I think this proposal would allow a greater variety of ships to be built.

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15 Sep 2011 09:24 AM  
Still better than HMS Swift which had two single tube mounts.
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15 Sep 2011 02:51 PM  
Sounds like a PT boat to me! ;-)
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15 Sep 2011 03:22 PM  
So on this new proposal, a ship like the Kiroshima with something like 10 launchers per side will get to fire a salvo of 10 rounds at once?
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15 Sep 2011 06:04 PM  
Posted By RichelieuBB on 15 Sep 2011 03:22 PM
So on this new proposal, a ship like the Kiroshima with something like 10 launchers per side will get to fire a salvo of 10 rounds at once?


I think you meant KitakamiKitakami had 10 quad TT mounts/launchers (5 quad mounts per side).

No, under Dustin's proposal, you could only fire torps from one mount/launcher at a time.  So you could only fire 4 torps at a time from a Kitakami.  Under Dustin's proposal, a salvo is defined as firing all the torps in a given mount (or launcher), and you can only fire one salvo at a time.  So a Kitakami could fire 10 salvos of 4 torps each, and a Gearing could fire 2 salvos of 5 torps each.

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15 Sep 2011 06:30 PM  
Posted By dietzer on 15 Sep 2011 02:51 PM
Sounds like a PT boat to me! ;-)


Most PT boats had 4 tubes.  Not sure if the Swift carried reloads.

 

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15 Sep 2011 06:49 PM  
Ohhh! I understand now. And with a 1 minute timer between salvos ... hmm ... I like the idea and would love to see it tried out. The Kitakami would still have an advantage of not having to come in to reload for 10 salvos (5 per side), but at least it would not be a one-shot-ship-killer.

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15 Sep 2011 11:02 PM  

I am glad so far most that have chimed in have not disliked my proposal. I think it is worth mentioning that for subs and other ships with tubes, the rules wouldn't change (much, if at all). An I-401 could still fire eight bow shots in a salvo (or X number at a time). You would still have the re-load rules, etc... 

Yes, a Kitikani or Oi would still be dangerous, but given the practical limits with scale and safety concerns I think they are only as dangerous if they had been used as designed (Toerpedo cruiser config--running into an enemy formation at night and firing salvos). In reality, like PT boats and subs, torpedo cruisers' main armament were torpedoes. Granted, torpedo hit rates were very low, however gunnery hit rates in real life were much lower than our hobby due to range. 

My idea is far from complete in regards to tubes below the waterline. It specifically deals with "launchers".  Actually, it might be a good idea to limit all underwater tubes to rods or the tube with ball bearing nose that some of the big gun clubs used back in the day. I have given VERY LITTLE THOUGHT to tubes, so take this paragraph with a lump of salt. For the past month or so I have been thinking why not limit all torps to rods, but there are practicallity concerns unless you change scale.

I really don't want to open a can of worms on this one, but since there has been so much discussion on this subject, the local group is trying a mish-mash of the previously discussed rules, MBG, and WWCC rules in different boats. We want to perform a live-fire R&D: see what works and what doesn't. If I could come up with a way to get a historically accurate low hit rate, with high damage potential, I would jump on it. IMHO, it would make torpedoes the "wild-card" they were in era combat.

Speaking of worms, I see a can labeled depth-charges in the sub pantry. Does anyone have an old army issue p51 on their keychain?

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15 Sep 2011 11:05 PM  

Oh, and as far as PT boats are concerned, I think if it was launch-able, you can fire it in a salvo. If you can figure out how and get it to fit weight wise.

And the salvo on mount/launchers would be per side, so if a destroyer raced in between to enemy ships they could fire port and starboard. Also could risk the wrath of a BB's stern guns twice, come in to port, fire, slow down then come in to starboard, and fire again. All while inviting the BB's escorts to "shoot me".

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