Evil Joker
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 | | 26 Apr 2009 10:40 AM | | can the Z-38 German destroyer go axis & allied. it was taken over by Britain after the war and renamed as HMS Nonsuch | | Southern California Region Attack Patrol (SCRAP)
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SnipeHunter
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| | 26 Apr 2009 03:43 PM | | you CAN do it but I highly recommend against it.
A) nobody likes flip-floppers
B) it would cause problems with ship identification for friend/foe
there are a few people that do things like that for various reasons but its generally best to stay on the side its supposed to be on. After all if you went allied with it whats to stop a Nagato from going allied as well?? | | | |
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Evil Joker
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| | 26 Apr 2009 04:17 PM | | not me but someone wants to. i agree with you. you could do it with the Prinz Eugen also | | Southern California Region Attack Patrol (SCRAP)
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SnipeHunter
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| | 26 Apr 2009 06:05 PM | | There are a fair number of boats and its really only an "advantage" for the allies, since they won both wars and all. So its not really fair for the axis and game balance and all that. Plus it tends to piss people off and the flip flopper gets shot by both sides. Then again flag vs no-flag battles are fun too and nationality goes out the window there. | | | |
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Kotori87
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| | 26 Apr 2009 08:00 PM | | I would say allow the side-switching as a game balancer, in case you end up with such an uneven battle that it isn't fun anymore. In my club, we swap the French and Italians around all the time to make for a more interesting and fun battle. Nobody's got one of the German prize-ships, etc, but those would be treated just the same. Of course we'd try to get them on the "correct" side, but if necessary they'd be the ones moved around to re-balance the teams. | | | There are 101 different types of people: those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who just can't count... | |
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El Jefe
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| | 26 Apr 2009 08:16 PM | | I guess I don't see a problem with it so long as the ship actually served as a combat vessel in its new Navy. HMS Nonsuch would be legal but most ships seized by the Allies after the wars were simply scrapped or sunk as targets, like the Nagato and Prinz Eugen.
I think there are enough ships that were taken over by both sides in wartime that it's not too big an advantage for one or the other. I'm interested in the Dutch coastal defense ship De Zeven Provincien that was sunk in Indonesia before being raised and reused by the Japanese. | | | |
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crzyhawk
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| | 06 May 2009 04:40 PM | | I think it is a fairly respectful advantage...I don't think anyone wants to see a USS Nagato out on the water. In treaty, I think we don't allow ships that were ceded as "war reparations" post war are allowed to battle for the Allies...so no USS Nagatos, or USS Prinz Eugens are allowed...nor are the WW1 ships.
Ships that were actually captured and worked on DURING the wars however, are allowed...an example being Petropavlovsk (ex Prinz Eugen class Lutzow) which was sold to the Soviets prior to the war, and was actually used as a floating battery against the Germans by the Soviets. An example of this going the other way would be the Dutch Eendract class light cruisers, which the Germans made an attempt to complete, thus are legal as German hypothetical ships. | | | HMS Invincible
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Krijn
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| | 28 May 2009 04:08 PM | | uhm the dutch light cruisers of the eendracht .. nay Kijkduin class (the 3 battlecruisers where the eendracht class) would never have been battleready during ww2, both ships spend years after the wars to repair "construction defects" that had slipped into the hulls during wartime construction when the germans started to get the dutch dockyardworkers to "hurry up and get these ships ready" german engineers where amazed how well "defects" where hidden and never did find alot of the ones that where placed into the hulls, these ships where almost rebuild after the war as dockyardworkers started to point out where the thin plates (that where suposed to be 1 inch) where. these ships in full combat status without defects would have been a revolation to the german navy "look adolph, we now have cruisers that can go on the ocean, the dutch build them at gunpoint for us" Krijn Ontario Attack Force | | | |
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crzyhawk
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| | 28 May 2009 06:00 PM | | Yes, we know the cruisers would never have been ready. The Germans made the attempt to get them finished, so we let them use them. I don't know of anyone other then myself that's shown any interest in them at all. Most people I have heard talk about the Dutch Navy in Treaty want De Ruyters. As for the names, I have seen both Eendract class and De Zeven Provincien (sp) class for the ships. Of interest, the Almirante Grau (ex De Ruyter) is the only gun cruiser still in commission. | | | HMS Invincible
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Krijn
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| | 28 May 2009 08:50 PM | | Mike shows how well these ships are build eh | | | |
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crzyhawk
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| | 28 May 2009 09:25 PM | | I firmly agree. | | | HMS Invincible
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