R/C Naval Combat

Hello all I am posting this at the request of Jay Jennings. We are looking at possible rule change ideas for next season. I have recieved quite a few so far and was wondering if anyone has anymore they would like the club to look at. If you do please forward the ideas to me privately and I will add them to the list. The list will be posted in this thread by the end of September. Jay Jennings and I are planning a club meeting in October to disscuss the ideas and other club matters. Please do not post any ideas here as they will be deleted and not concidered. After the ideas are posted we welcome civil discussions about the ideas but no flaming or other nasty coments will be tolerated. I hope to hear from everyone in the next few weeks.

Chris

Hello everyone here are the ideas that have been collected over the last year, these are in no particular order. I would like to say that this is the wording I got from the members and if adopted the wording may be changed slightly.

1. Expanding the forward and stern arcs to 30 degrees of the centerline on both sides of the ship.

2. Any class 4 or greater ship may mount up to two cannons in a side mount. This rule replaces that a ship must be over 800 feet to mount dual side mounts.

3. Ship speeds will be loosely based off the ships actual speed. If a ship was built before 1922 and was modernized prior to 1939 a ship can use its new actual speed to determine its model speed. See chart below.


Convoy Ships: 34sec
Less than 20 knots: 32sec
20 knots: 30sec
21-22 knots: 29 sec
23-24 knots: 28 sec
25-26 knots: 27 sec
27-28 knots: 26 sec
29-30 knots: 25 sec
31-33 knots: 24 sec
34-36 knots: 23 sec
37-40 knots: 22 sec
41 knots and up: 21 sec

Only convoy ships will be 34 sec. All other warships regardless of class would use there actual speeds for model speed calculation.

4. Combat ship classes; this will replace the current system for determining total ship units.

A. Only combat ships which construction had begun between Jan. 1, 1900 and Dec.31, 1946, are approved for North Atlantic Battle Squadron semi-scale model combat. Refer to the North Atlantic Battle Squadron ship list for a list of approved combat ships.

B. Listed below are the authorized classes for combat ships and the total offensive/defensive units allowed. This list takes precedence over any entries shown in the Ship List.





CLASS 8 8 units
Battleships 60,000 tons or Greater
CLASS 7 7 1/2 units
Battleships 55,000 - 59,000 tons
7 units
Battleships 45,000 - 44,tons
CLASS 6 6 1/2 units
Battleships 40,000 - 43,999 tons
Battle Cruisers 42,000 tons or Greater
6 units
Battleships 33,000 - 39,999 tons
Battle Cruisers 40,000 – 41,999 tons
CLASS 5 5 1/2 units
Battleships 27,000 - 32,999 tons
Battle Cruisers 35,000 - 39,999 tons
5 units
Battleships 25,000 - 26,999 tons
Battle Cruisers 30,000 - 34,999 tons
CLASS 4 4 1/2 units
Battleships 22,500 - 24,999 tons
Battle Cruisers 25,000 - 29,999 tons
4 units
Battleships Less than 22,500 tons
Battle Cruisers Less than 25,000 tons
CLASS 3 3 1/2 units
Heavy cruisers Greater than 12,000 tons
Pre-Dreadnought battleships Greater than 14,500 tons
Armored Cruisers Greater than 14,500 tons
3 units
Heavy cruisers 8,000 - 11,999 tons
Light cruisers Greater than 9,000 tons
Armored Cruisers 11,500 tons - 14,499 tons
Fleet Carriers Greater than 30,000 tons
CLASS 2 2 1/2 units
Heavy cruisers Less than 8,000 tons
Light cruisers 6,500 - 8,999 tons
Armored cruisers Less than 11,499 tons
Fleet Carriers 20,000 – 29,999 tons
2 units
Monitors Greater than 7000 tons
Light cruisers 4,500 - 6,499 tons
Fleet Carriers Less than 20,000 tons
Escort or Light Carriers Greater than 15,000 tons
CLASS 1 1 1/2 unit
Monitors Less than 7000 tons
Light cruisers Less than 4,500 tons
Protected cruisers built before 1922
Destroyers Greater than 2500 tons
Submarines Greater than 2500 tons
Escort or Light Carriers 10,000 – 14,999 tons
1 unit
Destroyers Less than 2,499 tons
Submarines Less than 2,499 tons
Escort or Light Carriers Less than 10,000 tons
Gun Boats and any ship types not listed above


C. All displacement values shown above are standard displacement. All displacement tonnages listed above are in English tons (long tons) of 2240 pounds each.

D. All ships are classified according to their original as built specifications unless the ship was constructed prior to 1925 and was refitted or modernized prior to Jan 1 1939. If a ship was modernized prior to 1939 that ship may use its refitted or modernized displacement for determining its total units.

E. The manner in which offensive and defensive units are combined and used is the choice of each captain, but it may not be changed during the course of a battle. Offensive unit positioning may be changed between sorties of a battle.

5. Torpedoes

Any ship that was armed with above waterline torpedoes may mount a 5 round spurt cannon in the approximate location of any actual torpedo launcher. If a ship has multiple torpedo launchers a captain may mount multiple cannons, but only one cannon per location. Each cannon is a 1\4 unit and does count toward a ships total number of units.

6. All ships may split units in the fashion listed below but no ship may have more cannons than the original main armament of that ship. Torpedoes do not count in this figure of total number of cannons.

1.5 unit cannon: 75 rounds
1.5 unit spurt cannon: 25 rounds
1 unit cannon: 50 rounds
1 unit spurt cannon: 15 rounds
½ unit cannon: 25 rounds
½ unit spurt cannon: 10 rounds
¼ unit spurt cannons: 5 rounds

7. Pumps: All ships may mount only a single pump of whatever type the captains’ wishes.

8. The club picks one source for ships stats for use in North Atlantic Battle Squadron. That source would be used to determine model speeds and models total units. If a member disagrees with the clubs source material and they can supply three reputable sources with a different figure they may supply those figures to the three club representatives for a vote to determine the new classification of the ship in question.

9. Muzzle velocity – Cannon muzzle velocity will be limited. The method for testing muzzle velocity will be that any cannon shall not penetrate through 2” DOW foam from a distance of ten feet. If ships cannons pass through the foam, the ship may not participate in any NABS event until the cannons pass another velocity test.

10. All ships shall be able to change batteries between sorties.

11. Any Captain who fails to participate in two battles in one year losses his/her voting rights until such time as he/she battles twice in a single season. The loss of voting rights last at least one full year.
 

Paul tirpitz has been tested and is at 140 the cannons just hit that hard. Alot of people have said Chris O cannons hit too hard as there has been fiberglass damage to hulls and superstructure in the past and his are at 150. Steve Crane was holding a piece of foam last year when my cannons were tested and it blew the foam right out of his hands and caught him by surprise. This spring I filled a piece of sintra with tons of holes(went right threw like a hot knife threw butter) and left bb's in a piece of wood(imbeded). When tweeked properly I bet I could get most of newer cannons in NABS to do this. Paul not all ships slow, there are alot of ships that speed up or stay the same,destroyers, cruisers and battle crusiers and aircraft carriers for example. The one type of ship that may slow is a battleship.This gives the faster ships the speed advantage they should have and may make certain types of ships that were not being built before viable, I know most members would like to see more diversity in the types of ships being built and used in NABS. As for batteries, any operator of a larger(Class6-8) boat can tell you alot of a ships weight is made up by batteries and the number is staggering.This is the main reason that I am getting a smaller ship as it is difficult to handle a 40+ pound model that is full of water.If we can decrease the weight of these models slightly it would be great.As for our number of members, how many have battled in the last year, a little less than half and as the largest group NS should have no problem getting people to come out but regularly you only get 2-3 paid NABS members and 1 or 2 NATCF members out for a battle in an area that has more battlers than that.NABS is a battling club not a static model club, and this should encourage the members to come out and battle. As for the smaller areas that have less membership give them a exemption or relax the rule. Paul what qualifies as a smaller area as we have only two members here in NB and there are two members is NFLD. I do realize that NABS is not a treaty club but that does not mean that treaty does not have some very good ideas in there rule set as does the MWC and big gun, does that mean we should ignore them also even if the idea is sound.I would think not, we should do what works for us as the ideas that were brought up could move the hobby in our area forward and give captains more choices of what to build and how to arm their ships and that is very important.Will they all work who knows maybe, maybe not but if we do not try them we will never know. Paul alot of these ideas have been floating around for quite a long time and maybe its time to give some or all of them a shot to see if they will work, if they do we can keep them if they do not we can always go back to the old way of doing things.