Anachronus
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 | | 11 Jul 2011 09:56 PM | | Posted By Gardengnome on 11 Jul 2011 09:25 PM
Posted By Anachronus on 11 Jul 2011 12:31 PM
Which plans for the HMS Collosus do you have? I have the Goff plans and they are a little wanting. Taubmans are just Goff plans. I have been toying w/ getting some for maritime museum but that is pretty pricey. However, one day I am going to make is Hercules/Collosus.
I have the Goff plans too. I concur with both of your assessments. The plans from the NMM are peerless but very pricey. Well the NMM says it doesn't have a full ship lines only fore and aft. But if I recall right some ships plans were like that the middle sections were all the same so only the plans for the fore and aft. I may jump off the cliff some day and get them. Will keep you in mind then.
Considering how fast they were turning them out before the Great War, they may have just used the plans from the previous class and changed where needed. | | | Vive la France! | |
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Renodemona
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| | 11 Jul 2011 10:58 PM | | The Q-ships and merchant raiders would probably be 1 unit, 28 secs. Pretty big ships to only have 25 bbs in a pretty high bow or stern gun mount. Probably why they aren't used much (if at all) in fastgun formats. Most of them make appearances as unarmed convoy ships and are very pretty. | | | IJN Nagato
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Kotori87
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| | 12 Jul 2011 12:07 AM | | In Big Gun, if you disable a Q-ship's guns, it becomes an unarmed transport that's able to score points. As long as the Combat Director knows which it is, you don't have to tell anybody else, so the other team never knows whether they'll get shot up or not if they try to attack. Is there anything like that in Fast Gun? | | | There are 101 different types of people: those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who just can't count... | |
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Rob Wood
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| | 12 Jul 2011 12:26 AM | | I think the Mikasa would be especially interesting to build, considering it still exists. You could go take some measurements if you needed to. 
Rob
Posted By Kotori87 on 11 Jul 2011 09:14 PM
Just about any predreadnought has never been built before. Part of the reason I am building a Mikasa is that it has never been done before. The Russians had one awesome armored cruiser during WWI, that I think is even legal in Fast Gun clubs.
... how about a Q-ship or raider? I'm not sure how fast gun rulesets deal with those, but they ARE warships so they've gotta be allowed something as armament. | | | |
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Kotori87
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| | 12 Jul 2011 03:21 AM | | Posted By Rob Wood on 12 Jul 2011 12:26 AM
I think the Mikasa would be especially interesting to build, considering it still exists. You could go take some measurements if you needed to.
Rob
Posted By Kotori87 on 11 Jul 2011 09:14 PM
Just about any predreadnought has never been built before. Part of the reason I am building a Mikasa is that it has never been done before. The Russians had one awesome armored cruiser during WWI, that I think is even legal in Fast Gun clubs.
... how about a Q-ship or raider? I'm not sure how fast gun rulesets deal with those, but they ARE warships so they've gotta be allowed something as armament. I do hope to visit the real Mikasa someday. Until then, all I can do is build a pretty model of it and sink every other ship in sight  | | | There are 101 different types of people: those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who just can't count... | |
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HorribleHarry
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| | 12 Jul 2011 06:18 AM | | Hey Inappropriate Ryan! Great post, we do love the "oddballs" don't we. Is anyone running a Danton or a Dunquerke? How about Agincourt or Rivadavia? (or any of the south american BB's) I'm partial to HMS Canada/Almirante Latorre. Ruskie IM class? (no I'm not even going to try & spell that) There's a lot of really ugly British battleships to build as well... ahem! *cough* heh heh Don't even get me started on ugly cruisers. "Hairy" Admiral Horrible(when will I be able to fix my signature)Harry SCRAP | | Southern California Region Attack Patrol (SCRAP)
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Darren Scott
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| | 12 Jul 2011 06:44 AM | | Of course, there's always the torpedo-ram HMS Polyphemus, with rudders fore and aft, a torp tube inside her ram, as well as four beam-mounted torps, the ability to flood down with ballast tanks for offensive operations, A keel which could be jettisoned and the bridge deck and aft flying bridge being detachable as liferafts should she be sunk.
Or, If you like REALLY pointy ships, the USS Alarm. Pointy: very, very pointy. | | | Have Battleship, will travel...... | |
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RichelieuBB
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| | 12 Jul 2011 08:25 AM | | Haven't seen a Danton on the water yet. The Dunquerke and Agincourt have been built and battled before. I've seen two Rividavias battled regularly. Good ship. | | Mike Mangus
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Operational:
HMS Erin DN
FN Richelieu BB
FN Verite PDN
Launched
Le Requin Xebec (AoS)
Under Construction:
FN Mogador DE
FN Gascogne BB (Treaty)
FN Bretagne (1/96) (delayed)
Mothballed:
FN Bearn CV
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Renodemona
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| | 12 Jul 2011 08:53 AM | | In MWC when a ship launches in campaign an opposing captain can as if its a warship or a convoy and you're supposed to tell them. Takes some of the surprise, but it also keeps down the controversy. Of course you don't have to say how many guns/pumps you have. Imperiatsa Maria? Its a Gangut...but slower. How about Krasnyi Kavkaz, the freakiest looking cruiser in the Black Sea fleet! | | | IJN Nagato
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Anachronus
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| | 12 Jul 2011 07:23 PM | | Further thoughts on this matter. What about standard ships in a non standard configuration. Nagato's, Kongos, Arizona's, Queen Elizabeths, etc as built rather than the WW2 versions.
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Gardengnome
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| | 12 Jul 2011 07:52 PM | | Posted By Anachronus on 12 Jul 2011 07:23 PM
Further thoughts on this matter. What about standard ships in a non standard configuration. Nagato's, Kongos, Arizona's, Queen Elizabeths, etc as built rather than the WW2 versions.
The old scratchbuilt Warspite hull I am getting from Dave Au (he did not make it he always wants me to emphasize that) is a WWI version. | | | |
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Gardengnome
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| | 12 Jul 2011 07:55 PM | | Posted By Anachronus on 11 Jul 2011 09:56 PM
Posted By Gardengnome on 11 Jul 2011 09:25 PM
Posted By Anachronus on 11 Jul 2011 12:31 PM
Which plans for the HMS Collosus do you have? I have the Goff plans and they are a little wanting. Taubmans are just Goff plans. I have been toying w/ getting some for maritime museum but that is pretty pricey. However, one day I am going to make is Hercules/Collosus.
I have the Goff plans too. I concur with both of your assessments. The plans from the NMM are peerless but very pricey. Well the NMM says it doesn't have a full ship lines only fore and aft. But if I recall right some ships plans were like that the middle sections were all the same so only the plans for the fore and aft. I may jump off the cliff some day and get them. Will keep you in mind then.
Considering how fast they were turning them out before the Great War, they may have just used the plans from the previous class and changed where needed. I wouldn't be surprised the Neptune class had the same length and beam. I don't know what it is about about the Collosus I just love the looks of that class of ship. Should be interesting in MWC just not on the pond I currently fight on.
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Rob Wood
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| | 12 Jul 2011 08:01 PM | | I love this one! Sort of 1/2 submarine, 1/2 destroyer. Interesting idea for Big Gun: a 25-knot torpedo boat that on the one hand is really slow, but on the other hand can run virtually submerged, making it almost impossible to hit. Would be hard to decide if it's actually been sunk, though.
Rob
Posted By Darren Scott on 12 Jul 2011 06:44 AM
Of course, there's always the torpedo-ram HMS Polyphemus, with rudders fore and aft, a torp tube inside her ram, as well as four beam-mounted torps, the ability to flood down with ballast tanks for offensive operations, A keel which could be jettisoned and the bridge deck and aft flying bridge being detachable as liferafts should she be sunk.
Or, If you like REALLY pointy ships, the USS Alarm. Pointy: very, very pointy. | | | |
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Anachronus
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| | 12 Jul 2011 08:08 PM | | Posted By Gardengnome on 12 Jul 2011 07:55 PM
I wouldn't be surprised the Neptune class had the same length and beam. I don't know what it is about about the Collosus I just love the looks of that class of ship. Should be interesting in MWC just not on the pond I currently fight on.
That would not surprise me either. The two classes were almost the same with just the armor and masting being arranged differently. I pefer the look of the Colossus, that backwards tripod fore mast just looks sharp, ignoring of course how impractical it was for its intended purpose. | | | Vive la France! | |
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Dustin
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| | 16 Jul 2011 08:52 PM | | Posted By Dustin on 11 Jul 2011 12:25 PM
I had toyed with doing a Novograd for Treaty, but it falls a little (21 years!) too early. Talk about an ODD ship 
And look what I saw today...not the Novograd, but the slightly larger Admiral Popov
This was built for the MBG by Gene.  | | | Treaty:
IJN Kirishima (Stricken)
FNS Volta (on hold)
FNS Alsace (under construction)
DKM Ludendorff [O-Class BC] (planned)
Battlestations:
FNS Mogador (Striken)
HMS Gustav V (Order placed)
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Anachronus
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| | 16 Jul 2011 09:25 PM | | WOW
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Tugboat
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| | 17 Jul 2011 06:07 AM | | I gotta say, that's an impressive bit of packaging... | | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
Building: HMS KGV (Drives, pumps water, guns are in but not plumbed)
MN Edgar Quinet (Hull done)
Drydock/Mothballed: Rus Evstafi, DKM Lutzow, HMS Invincible
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Kotori87
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| | 17 Jul 2011 08:38 PM | | It sure is impressive to see those odd little boats. Gotta be a pain to change that 16g cartridge, though. | | | There are 101 different types of people: those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who just can't count... | |
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Anachronus
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| | 17 Jul 2011 09:57 PM | | I would think how you built it would be of prime importance in that case. | | | Vive la France! | |
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