What to do about a 72mhz?
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10 Nov 2010 12:48 AM
For gascan and I, we spent one year running on NiCd receiver packs, and one year running on the high-current BEC built into our ESC's. Either way made no difference, we were still getting random, inexplicable loss of signal. Our receivers were mounted to the subdeck, with primary and auxiliary receivers on either side of the CO2 bottle. Despite extensive tests, we were unable to duplicate the signal loss symptoms with any sort of consistency. I do not know how many other skippers who had issues had taken measures to prevent voltage spikes causing loss of bind, but everyone was aware of the possibility.

Who knows what sorts of local background radio emissions may be interfering in different areas? I know a lot of people use wireless networks near where we usually battle. The local utilities company also installed wireless meter readers a while ago, that reportedly have been causing interference with all sorts of electronics. Maybe it's magnetic storms on the sun. Maybe specifically adding a capacitor would solve the issue. Whatever it is, I do not have the equipment, time, or money to figure out why 2.4ghz radios have so many problems in my local club.
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10 Nov 2010 06:17 AM

I like the splitter idea. The 2.4 is a popular thing for LOTS of devices. even so, it seems to be better than the older tech for me personally.

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10 Nov 2010 03:30 PM
Oh yeah, one more thing I completely forgot about. I have fiberglass hulls for I-403 and I-404 in my garage, waiting for me to figure out how to make them dive, and 2.4ghz just doesn't work with submarines. Last year I watched another club member try putting a Spektrum 2.4 in the I-401, and he kept on wondering why it wouldn't dive well during swimming pool tests. It was pretty funny to watch
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10 Nov 2010 09:31 PM

That is funny.

Yeah 2.4 doesn't do everything but I figure if it's underwater....I'm going in anyway.

subs make sense though. What does the sub clubs use?  they have radios

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My brief experience with these radios glitching out stemmed from the fact that these 2.4 ghz radios lose signal contact when the power supply voltage drops below 5 volts on the receivor battery. I found too that I had to use a larger than stock tx battery to keep a lot of power available for a long run. I had no issues as long as I kept the receivor powered at 5v and above. Once below that's when I noticed a loss in signal. I used giant size packs at IRCWCC NATS 2010 and had no issues with the radio.
The only issue I had was I forgot to plug the pack into the receivor and through my frustration I pulled the boat out and thought it was an electronic glitch so I didin't go back in the sortie. ..DOH!!



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12 Nov 2010 07:12 AM
Hey all,
I have been using a Spektrum for a couple of years now and had no problems at all with it (knock on wood). It has never come uncoupled from the radio and I have never lost signal. The antenna wires are in my water tight box, a "Lock n Lock".
I don't keep batteries in it and even over the winter, it is still plug and play.

As far as 2.4s and subs, the 2.4 doesn't have the power to properly penetrate the water to any depth, not without increasing the output power of the TX.
Alot of the sub guys have water proof radio setups and dive with their boats. Makes it easier to see what the model is doing I guess.
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23 Feb 2012 12:16 PM

A little thread necromancy, but sub clubs use lower frequency radios.  the 27 mhz radios should work the best for subs as they are in the HF band.  As the frequency increases, the ability to penetrade water decreases; this is why real military subs use VLF-ELF for communications.  The antennas have to be massive, but the RF will penetrate to a greater depth.

 

Our old radios not counting the 27 mhz HF radios (50, 72 and 75 mhz) are all VHF.  They penetrate water to a certain extent, but not to a great depth.  As you probably don't want your subs going too deep, these are a good option and probably what most sub guys use because they aren't hard to come by.

 

2.4ghz is S-band microwave.  That's why they have such short antennas; they don't need a huge antenna because the wavelength is significantly shorter.  The signal doesn't penetrate water though.  The recon aircraft I flew in the Army carried an X-band RADAR which we sometimes used for RADAR imagery.  Water came back as a huge black hole.  Same deal with the Ku-band radar that we used from time to time.  Microwave energy just skips off the water and dissipates.

 

It's been a long time since my radio and radar theory classes, so I might have some of the exact details wrong, but when dealing with water penetration, the essentially bottom line is, the lower frequency, the better it will work.

 

EDIT:  To be more on topic, there are some 2.4ghz modules you can get to hack onto your old 72 mhz radio and make them work at 2.4 ghz.  I haven't tried one yet, so I can't speak for whether they are any good or not.  Here are some links:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9770__Corona_2_4Ghz_DIY_Module_RX_DSSS_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__8354__X8D_2_4GHz_trainer_port_X8_hack_module_PPM_Only_.html

Here's a link to a thread where someone details adding the Assan module to his old futaba skysport 6:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=970828

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23 Feb 2012 03:27 PM
FYI - A captain used those very modules at the Brouhaha last year and his radio went NUTS! It would only work if he stood as far from other radios as possible. If anyone with a 2.4ghz walked near him he lost control of the boat. I am not sure if he had to rebind or it started working again. Based on that experience I woudlnt recommend them. In teh end he fixed the problem with a new Spektrum radio.

Myself.. I am leaning more towards 75mhz again.. the range is so much better than my experience with 2.4ghz. Granted I have the Spektrum park version so maybe the others can reach much further.
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23 Feb 2012 03:47 PM

That's good to know.  I have an ancient 72 mhz radio I was thinking about getting the module for and trying to convert so it would be useful to me.  I may still pick one up because....well the radio is useless to me either way.  It's nice to know I should manage my expectations though.

 

Do you happen to know which brand of hack module that captain was using?  I believe the technology is similar to what's used in a Spektrum where the radio locks onto a channel.  It's one reason I prefer the Futaba FASST system, it's a true freq hopper, and you're not going to interfere with it, period.  Range with the 2.4 FASST has been excellent; I have /never/ sailed it out of range.

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23 Feb 2012 04:38 PM
He was using the China brand, I believe
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23 Feb 2012 04:47 PM
I'll definitely be googling and doing more research on reviews before I pick one up. As much as I hate having a wasted radio, I'd hate even more spending the money then having it continue to be worthless.
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23 Feb 2012 11:11 PM
Radio South used to convert 72 Mhz to 75 Mhz which is legal for ships
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24 Feb 2012 12:40 AM
Yes, you can convert them, but the cost is usually about as much as a brand new radio. My thought was, if I can get a module for 50.00 and have the radio meet my needs, why spend more for a conversion or a new radio?
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24 Feb 2012 09:50 AM

Another option is to convert using the newest spread spectrum module on the market called Anylink.
www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p

It will convert almost any 72/75/2.4 transmitter into a 2.4 signal.  The downside is it will only connect to a propriatory Anylink receiver.
www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p

The upside is the system seems reliable by all reports.  Also, it is relatively low cost at $55 total for module and reciever, with additional recievers priced at $30 each.

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24 Feb 2012 12:34 PM

That sounds like a pretty decent deal, I might have to give that a try. I like the fact that it plugs into the trainer port rather then having to solder it in.

 

Edit:  I ordered an adapter and the reciever.  We'll see how it works.

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