Knight4hire
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 | | 12 Dec 2010 02:23 PM | | The Courbet class battleships were the first dreadnoughts built for the French Navy before World War I. The class comprised four ships: Courbet, France, Jean Bart, and Paris. Just wondering if anyone had built and or sailed any of these ships? I just added the Paris to my list of future builds. That French ship plans web site has the plans in 1/100 scale. I have already converted a set to 1/144. | | | I am from the Government, and I am here to help.
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Anachronus
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| | 12 Dec 2010 02:39 PM | | I was considering one for the future, please post a build thread on it.
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froggyfrenchman
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| | 12 Dec 2010 05:24 PM | | I plan to build one some day. But it probably won't happen for the next year or two. I have too many projects already.
But having access to the French plans sure does make me want to start more projects.
A Courbet, Bretagne, Normandie, and Lyon.
Perhaps a Danton as well.
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Knight4hire
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| | 12 Dec 2010 07:15 PM | | I am still working on Tripitz / Bismarck.
My main thought of the Paris is: will I be able to Arm all 12 of the main guns, the 22 secondaries and the four torpedo tubes?
I wonder if firing a full broadside could cause her to capsize? | | | I am from the Government, and I am here to help.
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Knight4hire
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| | 12 Dec 2010 07:24 PM | | Also I was thinking of going with a fiberglass hull. That would give me more room for everything I want to put inside.
Looks like there may be a market for me to produce several of these hulls! | | | I am from the Government, and I am here to help.
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Anachronus
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| | 12 Dec 2010 08:01 PM | | Posted By Knight4hire on 12 Dec 2010 07:15 PM
I am still working on Tripitz / Bismarck.
My main thought of the Paris is: will I be able to Arm all 12 of the main guns, the 22 secondaries and the four torpedo tubes?
I wonder if firing a full broadside could cause her to capsize?
It might but would be damned impressive.
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Tugboat
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| | 12 Dec 2010 08:50 PM | | The technical acheivement of fitting them all would be damned impressive! | | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
Building: HMS KGV (Drives, pumps water, guns are in but not plumbed)
MN Edgar Quinet (Hull done)
Drydock/Mothballed: Rus Evstafi, DKM Lutzow, HMS Invincible
Plus 20-odd other projects, according to my Boy Scouts who thoughtfully counted them for me. | |
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Anachronus
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| | 12 Dec 2010 11:14 PM | | Either way think of the broadside! | | | Vive la France! | |
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absolutek
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| | 13 Dec 2010 12:58 AM | | I have a fibreglass Bretagne hull I made in 1/144, which would be nearly identical to a Courbet class hull, and while it is very spacious for a class 4 hull, theres no way you'd arm all the mains, secondaries, and the 4 torpedo tubes effectively. But it would be cool.  --Chase | | Chase H.
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Kotori87
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| | 13 Dec 2010 02:32 AM | | Well Knight, I'll bet you could fit all the guns in. It'd be tight, but you could do it. Fitting in motors, batteries, and CO2 as well? That's a different story.
I know someone who really did something like that. He built a USS Atlanta with 6 torpedoes and something like 12 bb guns. Impressive as hell on the bench, until you looked inside and realized that he didn't have anything except the guns in there. No motors, no CO2, nothing. Embarrassing as hell, since he was one of the most experienced and prolific shipbuilders at the time, and should have known better. | | | There are 101 different types of people: those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who just can't count... | |
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Tugboat
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| | 13 Dec 2010 06:12 AM | | I'll take that bet. How many paychecks? BTW I'm betting against  As Chase said, no way he could ARM them all. One would be hard pressed to fit the parts for all that into the hull loose, let alone configured to fire. But armed means CO2, valves, hoses, everything. It'd look cool, but to actually see it we'll have to wait for the inevitable Hollywood movie of those brave young (ha) men and their small ships... We can get some cool CGI gunplay, and even CGI insides-of-boats. | | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
Building: HMS KGV (Drives, pumps water, guns are in but not plumbed)
MN Edgar Quinet (Hull done)
Drydock/Mothballed: Rus Evstafi, DKM Lutzow, HMS Invincible
Plus 20-odd other projects, according to my Boy Scouts who thoughtfully counted them for me. | |
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froggyfrenchman
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| | 13 Dec 2010 10:25 AM | | I think it would be a really fun boat if one armed either the mains, or the secondaries. Perhaps even just the torps.
I really like that boat.
I could not find the photos of the Bretagne anywhere.
A little help please.
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Tugboat
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| | 13 Dec 2010 11:02 AM | | Wait till I get home, Mikey. I'm pretty sure that there are some on the hard drive.
I think it'd be an awesome big gun boat with all mains armed. | | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
Building: HMS KGV (Drives, pumps water, guns are in but not plumbed)
MN Edgar Quinet (Hull done)
Drydock/Mothballed: Rus Evstafi, DKM Lutzow, HMS Invincible
Plus 20-odd other projects, according to my Boy Scouts who thoughtfully counted them for me. | |
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RichelieuBB
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| | 13 Dec 2010 03:38 PM | | I'm thinking the Bretagne would make for a half decent boat in fast gun. Although it only has one rudder, it is a short, beamy ship with four shafts and should turn fairly well. It has a good turret layout for different cannon arrangements. Not to mention it has casements for a little added defense. It's also a nice looking ship. | | Mike Mangus
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Operational:
HMS Erin DN
FN Richelieu BB
FN Verite PDN
Launched
Le Requin Xebec (AoS)
Under Construction:
FN Mogador DE
FN Gascogne BB (Treaty)
FN Bretagne (1/96) (delayed)
Mothballed:
FN Bearn CV
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absolutek
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| | 13 Dec 2010 04:48 PM | | either one would do equally as well for fast gun imho. the rudder is oversized, there is very little penetrable area in the stern because of the way the bottom slopes, there arent any bulges and it has several features that require a stringer. | | Chase H.
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RichelieuBB
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| | 13 Dec 2010 06:28 PM | | Ah! I forgot about the oversized rudder on the Bretagne! Both IRC and MWC allow larger than class sized rudders if the rudder is scale in shape and size. It would be easy to prove the size too with the original ship drawing plans from the French Archives. | | Mike Mangus
Beware the French Revolution!
Operational:
HMS Erin DN
FN Richelieu BB
FN Verite PDN
Launched
Le Requin Xebec (AoS)
Under Construction:
FN Mogador DE
FN Gascogne BB (Treaty)
FN Bretagne (1/96) (delayed)
Mothballed:
FN Bearn CV
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Knight4hire
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| | 16 Dec 2010 11:04 PM | | WOW! I did not expect so many comments.
Looks like I am going to put the Paris a little bit higher on my build list.
I have been re-drawing the hull lines and ribs on my train ride home from the office.
I suspect that I shall be ready to print the plans in 144 scale soon. | | | I am from the Government, and I am here to help.
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Anachronus
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| | 17 Dec 2010 12:03 AM | | Vive la France! | | | Vive la France! | |
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Knight4hire
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| | 17 Dec 2010 10:53 AM | | Here is part of the tech drawing that I am cleaning up. (Still at 100 scale) Maybe someone can help me out here. The area that I have circled shows dashed rib lines. I do not understand why those dashed lines are there? Thanks 
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Knight4hire
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| | 17 Dec 2010 11:01 AM | | This should show it a little better. 
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