Stokamoto
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 | | 06 Nov 2008 11:33 AM | | [:)]I was thinking of outfitting Nagato with 4 motors running 4 shafts. If I was to use direct drive what size motors would work for a boat this size? I think I will be using a ESC on this. If I do use an ESC with direct drive how many ESCs do I have to use?
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Tugboat
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| | 06 Nov 2008 11:43 AM | | Don't know for 4 motors, but I routinely run 2 motors with one ESC on my I-boat. What ESC (and what ratings) are you looking at using? | | | Battling: SMS Scharnhorst, SMS Baden
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Stokamoto
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| | 06 Nov 2008 11:53 AM | | Have no idea on the ESC but I think it's a Viper marine ESC? I was thinking of using this NAGATO as a runner. What ESC do you use on your I boat Tugs?
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BoomerBoy17
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| | 06 Nov 2008 12:17 PM | | You could run all four shafts on 2 motors with BC 1 input, 2 output gearbox. | | | Even though I walk
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Stokamoto
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| | 06 Nov 2008 01:32 PM | | Hmmmm that's an idea. I will have to look at that.
Tks
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BoomerBoy17
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| | 06 Nov 2008 01:49 PM | | no problem, im using one on my graf spee
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warspiteIRC
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| | 06 Nov 2008 02:19 PM | | Curt;
Why would you want to run all shafts? Sounds like it would cut down on turning ability?
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Stokamoto
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| | 07 Nov 2008 05:41 AM | | quote:
Originally posted by warspiteIRC
Curt;
Why would you want to run all shafts? Sounds like it would cut down on turning ability?
Marty
Hi Marty. I am using this Nagato as Non combat so turning won't be an issue here. I am building it for scale and detail. Like to have it run all 4 prop. ADM Stokomoto | | | Bismarck
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Greg McFadden
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| | 07 Nov 2008 07:35 AM | | Curt, if you are going for scale, have you thought about building yourself two belt boxes rather than gearboxes? They will be quieter on the water and are rather easy to make. | | | |
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BoomerBoy17
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| | 07 Nov 2008 11:54 AM | | that sounds like it might be easier, esp if its only a model, not an RC NAVAL COMBAT MODEL | | | Even though I walk
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Greg McFadden
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| | 07 Nov 2008 12:26 PM | | heck, I recommend belt boxes in general as they are, when constructed right, a bit more forgiving on the drivetrain when you hit dirt/rocks in the shallows and are quieter. | | | |
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Stokamoto
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| | 07 Nov 2008 12:46 PM | | Hmmm belt boxes. I am not a big fan of belts but for Nagato it may be doable as I wouldn't use it that often. I don't have the resources or knowledge base to build one myself.
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Greg McFadden
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| | 07 Nov 2008 12:57 PM | | It is easy. Pick the right timing belt (sdp-si.com) with sufficient tooth height for what you are trying to do. Biggest issue is if you need a large amount of reduction... then they get too big. then make certain your motor can slide to take up the slack. | | | |
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BoomerBoy17
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| | 07 Nov 2008 02:05 PM | | Does anyone sell these, or do you have to make one yourself? | | | Even though I walk
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I will fear no evil,
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Greg McFadden
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| | 07 Nov 2008 02:38 PM | | No one does that I know of. I generally make them myself. They are less tolerance sensitive than gearboxes which makes them a bit easier if one wanted to make it truly by hand.
that being said, if you are running 550's heavily geared down, the gearbox is probably the better option. I tend to play with motors to find some that only need a little or no gearing down (or gearing up in some cases) so that I don't have the very high speed components in a ship that make some of the annoying noises. | | | |
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BoomerBoy17
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| | 07 Nov 2008 02:50 PM | | im not planning on making one. I am using a 1input, 2 output BC gearbox for my Admiral sheer. | | | Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
-Psalm 23. | |
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Greg McFadden
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| | 07 Nov 2008 03:19 PM | | that should work nicely. | | | |
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BoomerBoy17
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| | 07 Nov 2008 03:26 PM | | i really hope so, in fact im really counting on it to work well. I believe in Rick though, so i hope it goes well. | | | Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
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Stokamoto
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| | 08 Jan 2009 11:53 AM | | Thanks guys for the input. I think I have a good idea what I am going to go with. | | | Bismarck
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Gardengnome
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| | 26 Jan 2009 07:33 PM | | Posted By warspiteIRC on 06 Nov 2008 02:19 PM
Curt;
Why would you want to run all shafts? Sounds like it would cut down on turning ability?
Marty
This may be a non sequitur.. but since I have been reading this and that and looking at this and that.. But could you not feasible alter the rates of the different screws to help in turning? Granted that would mean two different ESCs. Especially if you have 2 rudders it may not be as fast a turn but tighter turn? I thought some of the full scale ships utilize screw speed to help in turning as well or am I mistaken? If that is true then is our scale not as impacted by it as larger scales?
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